Monday, November 19, 2012

Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

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Simple as that: Find the basic physical principle that TK device is based upon.

If one does not know that there is a tape covered with magnetic particles, then he will never figure out how a tape recorder works by just looking at motors, gear wheels, transistors and wires.

Hence TK's basic principle must be a very simple one (similar to an audiotape), because he can play around with it in several completely different setups and it works. Like some tape recorders all looking completely different but they also work.

Therefore what about a transformer which primary and secondary coils do not exist at the same time but rather each of them in a different point in time? Sounds nice. But does it work? ???::)

Regards

The tape recorder is a nice analogy. But I think the situation is even worse than that.

You aren't being presented with a "singing" tape recorder that works in some mysterious manner, with high-tech tape that has an operational principle hidden from you by your lack of understanding and your lack of fine instrumentation.

No, you are being presented with a "cargo cult" tape recorder, that is made from string and coconut shells, and that woman singing you hear.... isn't coming from the string and coconuts at all, but from someone hiding in the next room.

You will have no success at all trying to build your own string-and-coconut tape recorder, because you are trying to build what you _think_ you see rather than what you really see. I mean, you can build an exact duplicate of the cargo-cult recorder, out of the best string and the authentic coconuts from the right island and everything..... and all you will ever have is a string-and-coconut tape recorder that sits there but doesn't sing.
If on the other hand, you build something that simply does what you SEE, not what you would hope to see, you might have better success.

In my way of thinking, there is a major clue that hasn't been given the attention it deserves. And it is this: At some point inside the apparatus, it is possible to measure the local _mains line voltage_ at the local _mains line frequency_... exactly.

This is the opinion of a cynical, outside observer, true, and I have not had the pleasure of a site visit, but as far as I can tell nobody has actually done the "principle experiment" on this one: go outside and pull the house mains breaker during a demonstration.


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go outside and pull the house mains breaker during a demonstration.

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Gathering up the stones now,Or will it be wood [for the fires]?
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I forget ...its been a while since we had to deal with such blasphemy!
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can't find that stupid pitchfork anywhere...........
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You should consider that we have made progress:
I have shown the connection between
EV Gray (Gray tube)
Ismael Aviso (coil shorting)
Bedini (radiant energy)
Tesla (Spike - radiant energy king)
Kapanadze. (High frequency generation)
Also if you look at Stanley Meyer's electronics you will see
a short sharp impulse at resonance is the principle used to overcome the Faraday limit.
You can also add the Rotoverter to the list.
I have produced scientific evidence that all used the same principle
of spike generation. This spike is electromagnetic in nature
The emphasis being on the magnetic.
Suddenly we can see the Leedskalnin and Howard Johnson explanation of the 4
vortices emanating from zero point could be what the spike re-creates.
Every single one of the mentioned inventions uses the same principle.
I ask the Nay sayers to produce scientific evidence for their grumblings, or most sensible people
will simply ignore you.
E V Gray uses concentric gauze tubes to collect the spike.
Hector (Rotoverter) also uses a device called the diode plug to collect radiant and also other compicated techniques.
Bedini charges multiple batteries with spike energy.
Aviso uses massive spike generation through coil shorting to drive an electric car
Tesla wanted to power the world with his device.
Kapanadze uses HV insulation and a Lenz limiting coil system to collect his energy.
None of these were/are easy to replicate.



You can also add the Rotoverter to the list.
Please be careful mentioning Rotoverters and "Bedini spikes" in one go.
RV's are not as simple as that.
The RV does work with radiant energy, but that is certainly different from the ominous Bedini spikes.
Hector defines Radiant Energy = Radio Frequency.
RV is all about reactive power transformation and the reason for the power gain is not spikes, but a resonant condition in an LC-circuit
with a phase angle of close to 90 degrees. That is the condition to allow radiant energy to enter the circuit.

This is the opinion of a cynical, outside observer, true, and I have not had the pleasure of a site visit, but as far as I can tell nobody has actually done the "principle experiment" on this one: go outside and pull the house mains breaker during a demonstration.
No house mains breaker here on this island, supervised by Kapanadze in person, so no one can steal his secret hidden in the blue box.

Nice assortment by the way: We have a round box, a green box, a blue box, a black box, a silver box and a transparent box (or even several of them). So nobody can say this stuff is too monotonous.


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what is the SPIKE ?? >:( Take a nanosecond oscillator like this from Dally device and measure the output using cheap old oscilloscope with a max 1Mhz resolution. What do you see ? Spikes ? IMHO Spike is nothing more but energy in form of high frequency and high voltage ringing.
did you saw anything else ? I don't believe nature would produce a pure spike without structure of ringing . It's just very high frequency. The secret is much simpler , yet I still have to prove it making a recovery circuit but I'm convinced that energy is not transfered in low frequency oscillators. It leaks in the points of momentary high frequency in form of radio and heat waves (which is the same just different frequency). When you power primary of transformer this energy would not be? transfered to secondary, it sloshes back and forth in primary. Like Don Smith said no electrons from primary will pass to secondary and additionaly no energy also. Law of conservation should be a bit modified. Flyback spike is the energy trying to escape from coil if that energy would be transfered to secondary there should be no flyback.

Try this SR experiment

Spike or Nano-Pulse is a tigger for Radiant. Radiant has no EM nature according to Tesla. Perfectly builded and tuned Magnification Tesla Transformer have no EM emission in forms of strimers, sparks, corona, EM fields. TT is not ELECTRIACL DEVICE but RADIANT DEVICE some sort of Etheric pump. No one Electric device can't lighten up the night sky high above Atlantic ocean or lighing up light bulbs on 25 miles. EM fields are useless in Energo-Information transfer!

RADIANT is another form of Energy with own properties like superfluidity superelasticity, superspeed etc. Acording to D.I.Mendeleev 1st Element in his Forbidden Chamical Table is SuperGas which flood all Spaces-Universes. He called him Newtoni !? :) The spaces(dimensions) or vacuum(s) are not emptiness but fullness.

That what "OFFICIAL IGNORANTS with DR. STATUSES" called "dark matter" is not dark at all. All those matters are extremelly fine level of material substances which are primary building bricks for coarse elements like protons, neutrons, electrons and all particles which build our physical reality. The number of Primary Sunstances is infinite so the number or Realities or Universes - Spaces -Dimensions which had been made from them and which will be made in the future are also infinite. All of Realities are in Nature Transcendental.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmYPSRqFH3w


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@WattsUP Where you have got these numbers ??

2 Inputs as follows: 220vac 0.09 amps and 36 vdc at 12 amps. Output is 208 vac at 24 amps.

WattsUP I have some serious suspicion about Torroidal Powert Transformer in Tin-Can and also small TVS HV DC transformer for pulsing Toroidal 220V secondary side like in SR schematic. Simplest from this is hard to imagine. We search unusually physical effect so we need unconventional thinking.

ps. The most "crazy ideas" can be very close to the TRUTH!! In his time Tesla had been most "crazy" scientist and "public enemy" but they have not stopped him to LIGHT UP THIS DARK PLANET !!

If you want show us all yours schematics which you think are interesting in Discovery of Effect !! The most craziest ideas and schematics are welcomed from all !!


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Wow, page 1001, the forum is still intact, the birds are still singing and the trees are again swaying with the chilly end of autumn wind. Thus, nothing has changed. Phewww. I guess we could say that passing the 1000 mark is a rather Grandiose event. Let the bells ring and the banners fly. hehehe

OK, as per my last post, we need to understand that nothing in the TK build can do what it is doing if each element was analyzed in their overall functionality being separate from the other components. The secret has to be something to do with two energies coming together to make a third energy that is greater then the sum of the two individual energies. So you have a source of low amp mains (AC5) mixed with a source of rectified higher amp mains (DC10) that when combined will still require a suitable neutral/ground source to draw in power to the load. The experimentation from this point onwards should concentrate on this only. How to mix two energies plus a neutral to get great output. The TK coil is just two wire lengths that are between the output and the load. Nothing more can be expected of the TK coil and this is why TK did not bother hiding it otherwise if the TKc was a secret, you can be assured that he would not have shown it in plain view.?

There is another major factors that we have overlooked in this quest that I can think of.

Let's consider the inverter TK used in the 2004 and Green Box videos that we can actually see being used and to which we consider the inverter to be a standard issue manufactured object of which I have found no specific technical information and that is a real bummer. We need to find the schematic of that blue inverter.

Since the inverter is the interface between the battery and then between the looping transformer without a battery, the inverter becomes an integral part of the total cause and effect of the TK device and this has so far been neglected to a high degree because we think all inverters are the same. I don't think so. There are many inverter types, but, like the one I was using which is severely employing an electronic output switching design, will not be good for our uses.

I found the following link showing what I think is used in the blue inverter. A simple and rather linear design of pulsed dc into a transformer primary where only the secondary is the AC output without any other switching elements in series.
http://www.hobby-circuits.com/circuits/power-supply/dc-to-ac-inverter/152/inverter

With such a design, it would be easy for TK to modify the C1 and C2 cap values if he wanted to increased the AC frequency output of his inverter without letting anyone know. This could explain why he is only taking 0.4 - 0.6 amps at the inverter output, and not actually being explained by the fact that the AB main transformer secondary AC output is driving those heavy diodes with so little power consumption. We know the military usually works at 400 hertz so the inverter could be dishing out 400Hz AC and the ammeter would still see it as such and provide its output reading. So there is nothing in the TK devices that confirms he is using his inverter at 50Hz. The fact that TK mentions 50Hz so many times in the @idzaza translation should signal alarms that TK is again not telling the truth about the actual AC frequency.

In my trials with a true electronic inverter with a switched AC output going to a main transformer primary, then on the secondary I was not able to make any use of the mains neutral or with my isolated grounded rod. I have not tested with an inverter as shown in the link so I cannot say anything about the usage of the neutral until I do that type of test.

But the logic of having a higher inverter output frequency then the stipulated 50Hz would explain many things as to how TK managed to develop any output increase without having to use any tin can internal frequency increasing strategies. The frequency would be higher from the start. That would be a valid logical basis to look at. Consider the blue inverter is used only in the 2004 and Green Box video that both start up with a car battery. Then consider the Aq2 and other Aquarium devices had no blue inverter and start up was with a simple little 9vdc battery. I think in those Aquarium devices TK made his own inverter that was using even? higher frequency then the 2004 and GB devices. This permits him to start the device with a much smaller initial energy source.

What I am thinking is that the inverter is playing a major role in the OU effect because in some way if the inverter secondary is only a straight coil to output AC, it will preserve the neutral aspect throughout the rest of the device via the AC5 line up to the output to load where a real neutral is then used to energize the complete system. This is how I can see the TK device working as it did. He found a way to design a device that is both isolated into itself but is also highly sympathetic to a mains neutral. This is proven in the Green Box device when he took the radiator ground and they found the output greatly reduced and I have found myself using my own grounding rod.

So, as stage #1, what we need is a simple inverter design that has nothing but the secondary coil as the AC output. Then we have a chance to move forward with stage #2 which is how to meld two energy sources to make one great output to load. Vacuum tubes do that all the time. Hmmmmm.

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@WattsUP Where you have got these numbers ??
2 Inputs as follows: 220vac 0.09 amps and 36 vdc at 12 amps. Output is 208 vac at 24 amps.

I have explained all that in this post on page 996. It is a rough approximation of how the inverter energy consumption is split into two lines.
http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg344368/#msg344368

wattsup

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No house mains breaker here on this island, supervised by Kapanadze in person, so no one can steal his secret hidden in the blue box.

Nice assortment by the way: We have a round box, a green box, a blue box, a black box, a silver box and a transparent box (or even several of them). So nobody can say this stuff is too monotonous.


True enough....no house mains breaker on the island. But also no measurements on the island of mains voltage and frequency in the box, is there?

Why are the lights so much dimmer at the end of that short video, than they are at the beginning, do you suppose? Are the _camera's_ batteries getting tired, maybe?
?::)

Nice soundtrack, though... reminds me of Riven.



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